Stormers buck trend in turgid affair

At Newlands on Saturday, the Stormers carried more, kicked less and made fewer tackles. Yet won the game! What kind of weird voodoo, hidgery-pokery is this?

With match stats in recent times suggesting that it makes more sense to play the modern game without the ball, instead using an aggressive defence to force turnovers from kicks that get you the ball closer to the strike zone, it was interesting to see the Stormers buck that trend against the Lions.

“Interesting” might indeed be a compliment though. In a turgid game of rugby marred by not only an embarrassing jersey clash, but also a myriad of errors, it did take a lucky 83rd minute try from bench scrumhalf Hershel Jantjies to get the home side out of jail.

While error strewn, working for the Stormers was the fact that they made 4 fewer errors than the Lions, this from 9 more carries. They also powered their way to a 93% tackle success rate that included a monster 25 dominant tackles.

The visitors, asked to make 169 tackles on the day, will be ruing the 22 they missed. Along with the 19 handling errors, which saw them make one every 5th carry!

A look at the match stats from Newlands:

Match information:
Points: STO 19-17 LIO
Tries: STO 1-2 LIO
Penalty goals: STO 4-1 LIO
Goal kicking %: STO 83% – 100% LIO
Possession: STO 53% – 47% LIO
Territory: STO 58% – 42% LIO
Ball in play: 31 minutes

Attacking stats:
Ball Carries: STO 105-96 LIO
Metres run: STO 574-364 LIO
Metres per carry: STO 5.5-3.8 LIO
Line breaks: STO 1-2 LIO
Tackle breaks: STO 5-4 LIO
Passes: STO 119-120 LIO
Good Passes: STO 106-107 LIO
Offloads: STO 8-7 LIO
Rucks won: STO 78-72 LIO
Rucks lost: STO 5-5 LIO
Mauls won: STO 3-3 LIO
Mauls lost: STO 1-0 LIO
Turnovers conceded: STO 17-12 LIO

Defensive stats:
Tackles made: STO 110-147 LIO
Tackles missed: STO 11-22 LIO
Tackle success: STO 93% – 88% LIO
Tackle turnover: STO 4-6 LIO
Dominant tackles: STO 25-11 LIO

Kicking stats:
Kicks from hand: STO 20-22 LIO
Metres kicked: STO 619-590 LIO
Metres per kick: STO 31-27 LIO 

Error stats:
Handling errors: STO 15-19 LIO
Carry per error: STO 7-5 LIO
Penalties conceded: STO 12-8 LIO
Yellow cards: STO 1-1 LIO

First phase stats:
Lineouts won: STO 13-12 LIO
Lineouts stolen: STO 1-1 LIO
Scrums won: STO 8-8 LIO
Scrums lost: STO 1-0 LIO
Own kickoff won: STO 0-0 LIO
Own kickoff lost: STO 4-5 LIO

- All Out Rugby

Let's chat

  • Barry

    I do not support either team, so no axe to grind, BUT this report card is a long way different from that offered by the Super Sports panelists, in particular Nick Mallet who is a partisan Province Supporter! In their view Egon Seconds had a shocker and was largely instrumental in the home side victory.

    They sited the numerous legal turn over decisions that went against Malcom Marx, thus largely negating the Lions attack, as key to the upset! No less the legal tackle deemed illegal and the scrum penalties that were overlooked in the first half.

    I wonder if perhaps that is why you are battling to make sense of the stats?

    • John Comyn

      “I do not support either team, so no axe to grind,” yea right!

      • Barry

        You never miss an opportunity to make a spectacular fool of your self! The Sharks are top of the log and clear of any other team by five points!

        • Whinger

          For now. They were really paste in that second half. Did not really take part in the game apart from tackle practice. I think the Blues just proved that the NZ teams are just a little fitter than our teams. Again!

          • Redge

            Really? Yeah well the Chiefs did spend a lot of time running towards their own line. Crusaders still have to play Aus and SA teams. Hurricanes very average. Reds actually won the game in Dunedin if the blind officials didn’t miss a blatant forward pass by the Highlanders. The again below average Blues was also robbed in Auckland and could’ve or should’ve beat the “mighty” Crusaders. The Aus sides have improved a lot since last year.

            Bulls started well or was it just that the Stormers was even more useless than we thought? Sharks haven’t played against stiff opposition yet and looking at how useless the Stormers is it will be another easy win for them this weekend.

          • Dean

            Paste. Hahaha. Surely if a team is so “paste” they wouldn’t be fit enough to defend like they did to keep the blues out. All the blues proved was that they still cant beat the sharks, home or away. Stop trying to down other teams, the sharks were deserving of their win. Last week the bulls were invincible, this week not so much, last week the stormers were terrible ect.ect.ect. to much provincialism in SA. Give credit where it’s due, just like when the lions made 3 finals, give credit. It wasn’t luck, it was planning and talent

          • Whinger

            “Paste” means tired. And they were. Very. Don’t take everything personally. And it was just one scrum, where the Lions clearly walked around. Coenie did very well against the All Blacks’ new wonder prop. Pity you lost parity when you brought Thomas onto the field.

          • Barry

            Well that wouldn’t say much for the other franchises then would it, if Sharks are well clear of them but “paste”! I see the young Lions front row gave your Vermaak and Malherbe a bit of a lesson, particularly in the first half?

    • Barry

      Just as a point of interest, the match officials for the Sharks/Blues game were:
      Paul Williams New Zealand
      Cwrgile Jafezweni – Cape Town
      Griffin Colley – Bloem

      I was a bit miffed that the Blues got to bring their own Ref, but certainly there was not any bias for the home side!

      Now the match officials for the Stirners/Lions game were:

      Egon Seconds – Cape Town
      Divan Uys – Cape Town
      Aimee Barrett-Theron – Cape Town

      It seems that the need for impartiality only applies to the Sharks. Have we been done a number again?

      • Redge

        Don’t worry you have Peyper the Shark man at your services this weekend. Noddy is a home ground referee.

      • SweetAz

        Its a kiwi thing,–they travel with their own refs, own rules and own interpretation of the Laws. God forbid they are ever second best at anything rugby,-they are after all the chosen people, the veritable GodsOfRugby,—dontchano?

  • SweetAz

    As a Stormers supporter, I’m obviously happy at the result, but this was a putrid affair. I don’t know how this ref is even refereeing at this level.
    To be honest, I don’t see either of these 2 teams making the last 4 in this competition. The leadership for the Lions after Whitely went was non-existent and the Stormers leadership throughout sucked donkey-marbles.

    • Chris Mouton

      Be careful, Sweets, the Domkrag Doomsday Preacher might take offense with what you said above. The fact that the wonderful, expansive, complete Lions lost against the hapless Stormers probably gave the poor man a tummy ache. Your words might just add to his bile.

      • SweetAz

        Mate, everything about the way the Lions played proved me right,—-they never were the wonderful, complete, expansive team Schrodinger claimed. They were merely the MOST COHESIVE TEAM since they kept their players together whilst everybody else lost players. As soon as they lost players, they lost that cohesion and now make the same mistakes as everyone else.

        I won’t bother telling him I told him so as I have no inclination to sit through 20 essays of BullShit.

    • Barry

      Is donkey marbles something like af kop hoender, lol?

      • SweetAz

        In the world we live in, the perpetually offended get their marbles in a knot if I use words that have been part of the common lexicon for as long as I can remember so I invent my own words to baffle and confuse. Just my own contribution and support for the middle-aged white patriarchy.

  • Wesley

    Being a Lions supporter i am obviously unhappy about the loss considering their contention for the trophy, but they truely were poor. Both teams were, but the Lions allowed Egon to determine their future. Stormers should thank their lucky stars for Egon. He was completely blind the last 20min in Stormers favour. But again, the Lions allowed it. With Whiteley out, it all went down hill for them and even with Stormers playing with passion they completely lack team cohesion, as what Paulse was saying before the match. Truely a torrid affair.

    • Albert

      Bravo sir, excellent objective comment. Glad to see someone hasn’t jumped on the emotional “The ref did it” bandwagon. Fantastic.

      Yes it was a terrible exhibition of Super Rugby, and both teams should feel embarrassed and ashamed, just as much as the ref. Had the Lions not missed that many tackles they would never have been so close at the end. It is only week 2, and we all know how the Lions go up a gear when under scrutiny.

    • John Comyn

      Wesley I can understand you being miffed. However there needs to be some perspective. For a large percentage of the game the Lions got plenty of 50/50 calls that went their way. The tip tackle on Etzebeth was a yellow card no argument. I believe Schoeman came off the bench 2 minutes early. In the last 10, after repeated infringements, The Lions did not even get a warning let alone another yellow card.

      • Barry

        John you continue to embarrass yourself, maybe listen a little closer and think before you post!

        The tackle on Etzebeth was not deemed a tip tackle by Seconds, if you were listening you would have heard that! As such it was not a yellow card offense.

        For it to be a tip tackle, the tackler must go beyond the horizontal plain, must not be helped down by the tackler and must make contact with his head or upper shoulders in a spear effect.

        He landed flat, which landing was player assisted, and arguably did not go beyond the horizontal plain. It was a hard but fair tackle.

        It was never going to be a yellow and arguably should have gone without sanction, unless you ware blue and white panties of course!

        • Wesley

          Thanks Barry, sorry didnt catch the bit from Egon, but it wasnt relayed to him as such. The TMO never referred to a turn from Mapoe, only the fact he lifted and didnt bring down safely and something about the joining player. Once again illustrating the fact Egon was incompetent even through his communication to the player. No wonder the Lions got a bit billigerent through all the frustrations.

        • Wesley

          I agree with your point Barry but have to correct you – it was deemed dangerous, as the tackler lifted the player and did not bring him down safely. Correct, he did not go through the 90 in the lift, but the joining player pushed him over and he fell flat on his back, luckily not on his shoulder, head or neck. Hence no “spear” attempt, only a penalty for the “lift and drop” action, no yellow necessary, and was well explained by the TMO through the ref to all parties. So sorry John, I know you were there at the game, unable to hear the talk from the TMO, but if you are to comment, please rewatch the game on replays beforehand.

          • Barry

            Whinger decisions are made on field now by the Ref not the TMO, so you need to have a listen to what Seconds had to say. Go and have a re-look I am sure it’ll make it a bit clearer. It was considered a dangerous tackle by Seconds and not a Spear tackle. Therefore sanction penalty and not Yellow card!
            You argue against yourself, in the one instance you say it was worthy of a yellow card, in the other you say that Etzebeth was brought to ground safely. Well if he came to ground safely (by what ever means) then there is no cause for a yellow card!
            There needs to be a clear understanding of the difference between a dangerous and spear tackle and the sanction that attaches to these offences.

            The only people that are grinding this on and on are you and John, Wesley seems quite happy with the interaction and explanation.

          • Whinger

            The TMO deemed the tackle to be a tip tackle, which it was. The full intention and result was that of lifting the player beyond the horizontal. It was clear from the fact that Mapoe was standing upright with Etzebeth’s leg in his arms. That was worthy of a yellow card. However, a second Lions player joined the tackle and prevented Etzebeth from landing on his neck or head. according to Seconds. The tackle was still deemed to have been dangerous and was therefore penalised.

            I just don’t understand why someone who has no axe to grind continues to grind it on and on and on and on. Or what are you about, Barry.

          • Barry

            No Wesley, have a re-watch. When the Lions were arguing Seconds responded by saying “but you turned him” referring to the movement beyond the horizontal. So he considered dangerous on those grounds.

            The rules need both legs to go beyond the horizontal – I believe only one did hence the view that it should have been scrum Lions ball. The 50/50 went Stormers way, so moving on, but never a yellow!

  • Herman Schroder?

    Well it seems all are in agreement the scribes the panelists and most posters on this and other forums, Egon was not second he was stone last. Marx’s steal was good for all money, no question. ES was receiving guidance from the TMO who was tracking every dastardly move of the guys in red to ensure that no matter how long it took the Stormers would prevail. Even the misfiring conversion at the end was brushed aside despite the protestations of the ‘good guys’.

    Even the normally objective Nick Mallett was incensed by the performance of the ref and his support staff. The ‘steal’ was right in front of the linesman but not a murmur. Of course it’s not surprising that ES hails from the Cape where he represented the Stormers for nearly a decade. Brings new meaning to the term ‘home town boytjie’. It was not fair on him to give him this game where so much was at stake and no matter how he reffed he would be pinged. I wonder how many strings were pulled to get this one right and to say the result was a lifeline to Fleckie and Co is probably an understatement. Lets hope it’s the last time Mr Seconds gets a Lions game.

    Got to however doff your cap to Swys who said he was glad for Fleck despite the obvious disappointment of ‘losing’ the match. They have big hearts up there in Lions country.

    Now before the usual ‘haters’ start their howling and wailing let me just mention that I was completely underwhelmed by the Lions performance. The forwards were manful with the newbie props proving quite a handful for the supposed first choice Boks on display and the defence of the entire team was first rate. It took a ”failed” scrum by the Stompies to create a chance for Hershel to scamper home, their first try in 166 minutes of rugby this season. And this from a dozen or so “Springboks’. Go figure.

    Where the Lions have lost the plot in my opinion is the game plan which almost resembles the failed system used by the other pretenders in our Conference. Jantjies disappointed me no end seeming to be caught between traditional Lions rugby and the dom krag variety.. In both games so far the backs have been hesitant and playing at half pace. Jantjies is not helping with the overuse of the pop pass which places his outside backs under pressure from the rush defences. To me he appears out of sorts for some reason and needs to straighten himself out.

    My advice to Swys is to do what took you to three SR finals these past few years, AAA. Get that backline involved and embrace the skills of the players and score tries. One or two more yesterday which were butchered by the boys and we wouldn’t be singing the Egon Seconds lament this morning. Back to “Lions’ basics ou grote. Cheers.

    • Albert

      Firstly, “Now before the usual ‘haters’ start their howling and wailing…” you are the biggest hater of everything non-Lions and area always writing essays lamenting how incompetent and inept all others are.

      But, you did do a good job of finally seeing some flaws in your mighty Lions and your darling Elton. So kudos to you sir. I am glad you did not write a 10,000 word essay on how poor Egon Seconds was, and you only mentioned dom krag once.

      I really hope your new years resolution was to be more objective, it is working thus far.

      Cheers,

      • Herman Schroder?

        Albert, pardon me but like I’ve always said give me something to praise them about. These past few years the other Franchises and the Boks have been piss poor. The Sharks showed some grit last year at least and are looking more rounded this year and kudos to them. Jury still out on the other two. Praise, like respect, must be earned in my books but thanks for the tip.

        As for my lengthy posts, well unless there is a condition on these sights regarding length believe I may express myself as I see fit. You also have the option of ignoring them of course. Cheers.

    • SweetAz

      Perhaps you could teach your players some manners, the way they approached the ref en-masse berating and complaining at that last try was completely unacceptable and I hope they receive a team sanction for it.

      You still don’t seem to understand the NEW break-down rules. The tackler, who must still get up before playing the ball, now also has to return to their side of the tackle “gate”. Players on their feet may use their hands to pick up the ball at the ruck AS LONG AS THIS IMMEDIATE, but as soon as an opposition player arrives hands can no longer be used.

      The window for players like Marx has become MUCH smaller than it was a year ago. Seconds was actually mostly correct in his breakdown rulings and could actually have given more penalties against Marx and Kwagga as they were frequently not through the gate or still using hands when an opposition player was present.

      • Dean Bright

        That’s pretty rich Sweet. Have you seen the video doing the rounds of Eben saying to the ref, jou p…
        haha

      • Herman Schroder?

        Simple answer Marx came arrived at the ruck latched onto the ball legitimately with everyone off their feet. It happened right in front of the line official and he chose not to call it. No surprise there. Now who do I believe, SweetAz or Mallett ?? By the way all officials were from Cape Town and the line official is a newbie who no one has ever heard of, even locally. Talk about loading the dice in your favour.

        No Mr SweetAz this was daylight robbery in the first degree. I expected this to happen before the match and my family and friends can attest to that. As dissatisfied as I was with the Lions performance they were still better than the woeful Stormers on the day and according to most pundits they were blindsided. If that’s the way you want your team to win games then good luck to you old chap. What goes around comes around.Cheers.

    • Barry

      Appreciate your keeping it brief and to the point!

      • Redge

        Lol well said mate. Shame the poor Lions

      • Herman Schroder?

        Sarcasm ? lol. Cheers.

  • SweetAz

    Just for all the Marx Fanboys and also a refresher for Nick Mallett on the NEW AMENDMENTS to the breakdown rules for THIS season.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/101610796/exwallabies-coach-fears-new-breakdown-rules-could-turn-rugby-into-league

    Just because someone was a turnover demon LAST season doesn’t mean the same behaviour will be rewarded THIS season. Let’s face it, without his turnover skills Marx is a pretty average hooker, his lineout throwing is erratic and he’s not even as quick as the geriatric Schalk Britz over the ground.

    • Barry

      Yes more laws to confuse, but in this instance it would not applied, nor in the earlier one. Quite simply none of the other players were on their feet, so it was not as yet a ruck and therefore ruck laws would not apply.

      Regardless, Marx came from an on sides position, so he would have been legal regardless. More to the point Etzebeth was holding on and the Stormers 22 took a kick at the ball, both penalties! Finally the touch judge was from Kaapstad!

      • Wesley

        Sweet, I am sure Nick knows the new rules, but obviously you didn’t see the Marx steal in the first place, posting an irrelevant rule that absolutely does not apply to the situation, and bashing a good player (best hooker in the country, arguably the world), hoping to raise the ire of many.

        Be that as it may neither team deserved it and the most fair outcome would have been a draw, which would have happened if the refs were impartial at the last conversion. The ball did not fall over, SP advanced, and is allowed to be charged. That would have perhaps made it fair.

        • Whinger

          At the conversion. Elton never returned to behind the goal line. That alone is technically a reason to allow the kick to be retaken.

        • SweetAz

          He’s a crap hooker, he can’t throw the ball consistently to his jumpers,—he’s a failed flank that’s too slow and small to be a flank so he uses his rudimentary flanker skills in the hooker position. He’s far too upright in contact and sometimes goes missing in games. if he’s the best we got then we’ve got serious problems. Bismark Du Plessis is still a better hooker than him and I believe within the next year or so Akker will be better as well.

          • John Comyn

            The entire game is all about the call Marx didn’t get. I could just as easily argue that the tip tackle on Eben was a yellow which (under correction here) would have left the Lions with 13 men on the park. It was dangerous and cynical and the TMO lets it go? The TMO even let a player on the park after he had spent 8 minutes in the cooler. So where do all the howls of bias come from? Incompetence yes but bias definitely no.

          • Wesley

            Fair, your opinion that, but sorry to say, Rassie doesn’t agree.

            But again, in terms of the rules, that steal was legit.

  • SweetAz

    You may be right, I didn’t go back and rewatch that particular incident BUT the penalty may have been for something else like the tackler not allowing the tackled player to place the ball,-who knows, the breakdown is a lottery and that’s WHY YOU PLAY TO THE Glen—–(ACCORDING TO NZ), surely an intelligent team would have figured out what the Glens interpretation was by that late stage of the game???

    Last year the Super Rugby Glens frequently got this wrong, in fact for most of the year they just ignored this amendment. The Northern Glens are MUCH stricter on it. Most of the Glens are warning players off instead of just penalizing them and that’s the problem with Egon Seconds, he wasn’t consistent with his warnings or penalties, I don’t think its bias, I think he’s just a crap Glen, but then most of the Glens are …
    It’s still a dog’s breakfast because in the Crusaders/Hurricanes game I saw players frequently going off their feet to win the ball and getting away with it. Its genuinely not being reffed properly by most of the Glens, I think Angus Gardner is probably the closest to getting it right.

    I do agree it does look suspect when all the officials are from the Home Team, – but then you are going to get that often when touring in NZ and Arsetralia.
    This was a game where a draw would probably have been a better outcome for all concerned, neither team deserved to win.

    • Herman Schroder?

      SweetAz, Oh well at least you’ve learned something about the rucks and the conversion protocol today. I do agree the rules are a dogs breakfast at the moment but I hope there’s no changes before the WC. We don’t need more confusion.

      Sorry old chap but we wuz robbed. A draw is like kissing your sister and the Stompies had too much outside help, lol. Cheers.

      • Albert

        Stompies beat the Kittens, lol

      • SweetAz

        Nothing wrong with that conversion, half the bloody Lions were in the field of play well before the kicker started his runup. Just pretty piss-poor losers and the way they attacked the referee was reminiscent of the protests at a Gauteng service delivery riot. Surprized they didn’t “necklace” the poor chap.

        Really low class.

    • Wesley

      True Sweet, but could you then understand the frustration from Nick and the like? Most refs are crap, but not seeing things at the blink of a eye could be debated. But 6 damned seconds standing in the wrong position, with the assistant not doing a damned thing? As well as the basic rules of a conversion not being applied at the slowest of moments within a game of rugby? Please…

      • Whinger

        You are a really bad loser. I am afraid this is going to be a long season for you. The Lions lost because they played badly. The Stormers were not much better, but they were, just that little bit. Did you perhaps keep a count of the number of penalties the Lions conceded to keep the game going for an extra 6 minutes? All they had to do was to show a little patience. The Stormers were so poor, that they would eventually have made an error. They were stupid enough to select a scrum after each penalty, with a fourth rate front row. Fouche needs another couple of years of Varsity Cup, while Corne Fourie could not even put Jacobie Adriaanse under pressure.

        So, if the Lions could not put this one away, it was not the referee’s fault. I am afraid they will have to take this one on the chin. Running down the team sheets of both these sides leaves me with no hope of much improvement. After watching half of the Bulls game and second half of the Sharks game, after that bright start, I just think Rassie should pick his team and remove them from these super rugby franchises. Let them all play for the Cheetahs in the Pro 14. I can’t see a single Springbok improving while playing for these teams.

        • Herman Schroder?

          Whinger the TMO was watching only one team for infringements in those last ten minutes hence the penalty count and the long injury time. The Stormers were never going to lose this one.

          You say poor decisions were made by the Stormers but didn’t they have a few ‘captains’ in their ranks. Etzebeth, Stef, etc ?? No old chap 12 odd ‘Springboks’ in their ranks and still pathetic. No wonder the Boks or is it ‘StormBoks ‘failed’ last year, lol. Cheers.

          • Wesley

            Sorry….i meant to type Whinger… Damn autocorret on the phone.

          • Wesley

            Wait wait, is that you Egon, trying to salvage your name? Or only a one eyed WP supporter? I never said Egon ever called the game well, he even pinged the Stormers at wrong times, we all know it. Im just going on the most obvious terrible calls made in the end which soured the entire game. Even the call where he had 6 seconds (in time, not members of his family) to either get in the correct position and or make the call. Thats just lazy. Its not just my or Malletts opinion, its the most prevalent opinion, even from some CT based media outlets etc etc. Would you keep quiet if the teams were reversed? Or do you only call things that out that may be to your detriment? Did i say that right? Or do you get the gist? Too bad theres no spellcheck here. But Wanker here would spell check any posts if you guys need it…

          • Whinger

            Herman, what about the TMO going after Vermaak for “illegal” cleans at the ruck. Yellow card and advantage removed when the man used his arms in the clean? In the second one, the verdict of “coming in from the side” and being “dangerous” was certainly debatable. Just because it did not happen in the final 10 minutes, does not mean that it had no influence on the match. For crying out loud. The Stormers had conceded 9 penalties and 8 turnovers by half time. They were piss poor. How did the Lions lose this one? Not very clever, is it? If they were my team, I would certainly prepare for missing the playoffs.

        • Wesley

          Again, let me be clear because obviously you have trouble understanding… I am dissapointed, but in fact agree the Lions lost due to their own ineptitude. But the fact the Stormers were given the game at the end due to the official’s incompetence in the sea of many incompetent refs, is what i am gripping with. Please learn to read.

          • Whinger

            Again let me be clear, because obviously you have trouble understanding. You see all these “incompetents” from your particular point of view. Did he only disadvantage one team the whole match? I do not even have to be able to read properly to see that you are extremely biased. Suddenly, according to you, Mallet’s opinion is gospel. Is it always, according to you? Or do you just use every opinion that matches your own. You are like every other denialist. Only your opinion is true. Only you can see the truth. And you are “griping about”, not “gripping with”. Please learn to write.

  • John Comyn

    The bleating was to be expected. From my perspective the Lions got the rub of the green for 60 minutes. That said the ref was poor. The Stormers will take the win & be better next time out. I was at the game and it was almost impossible to see who was who in the 1st half especially if your eye sight is poor like mine. How could the officials not see this. Does not help either when the big screen is the version 1.0 of screens. It’s probably about 30 years old. The whole place is derelict and WP rugby needs to move. Sharks are looking the best of the bunch. Outstanding defensively! Whitely should be the Bok captain without a doubt and Etzebeth remains the best no4 in SA even if he was not at his best.

    • Wesley

      The rub does tend to go towards the dominating team, but assisting the attacking team at all costs because you may fear for you life as you exit the stadium does muddy the waters a bit. Perhaps ’tis to be human, many referees have stepped into that trap, assisting home teams in dying moments, regardless of previous allegiances. Example of a good commentator is Mallett. Regardless of his connections with WP and Stormers, he calls out what is wrong with their benefit from the ref in dying crucial moments. Its not whinging or bleating, its insisting for any official be beyond reproach on what is deemed basic calls to get right.

      • John Comyn

        Wesley – just a heads up. Mallett is a huge Bulls supporter. He is seriously pissed with everything that is WP and has been for a long time.

        • Wesley

          Who says and who cares? I’m only pointing out the obvious connection (as a player and a stint as DOR for WP). But he stood up and called out for what is right. I’m sure if the teams were reversed, he would have done the same. Personally, I would have too.

        • John Comyn

          Sorry make that The Lions. He has been punting the brand for a long time now.

          • Wesley

            Punting how John? A lot of what is being said is based on complete conjecture, including those that comment that Egon was all for WP and this and that. But the fact we cannot ignore is that he was incompetent to the benefit of Stormers in the end, on TWO occasions, that directly led to their victory. If it was reverse, I would have been seriously pissed as a rugby supporter. The game is dying world wide, and people wonder why?

    • SweetAz

      The do like to cry,….lol, bloody girlyboys. I like Whitely but he’s just too fragile, the guys injured more often than not.

  • John Comyn

    My “give that man a Bells” moment. Swys saying he is happy for Fleckie! Sportsmanship of the highest order. Just a pity Lions supporters can’t that the lead.

    • Wesley

      We don’t have to, we don’t have a muzzle on what we can and cannot say. Pity some cannot debate the forum without shaming others.

      Still, good on Swys, real class.

      • Whinger

        Look behind the door, Wesley.

      • Herman Schroder?

        Agreed old chap. Cheers.

  • albert Hoffmann

    “At Newlands on Saturday, the Stormers carried more, kicked less and made fewer tackles. Yet won the game! What kind of weird voodoo, hidgery-pokery is this?” Not rocket science or any thing funny at all, its called EGON SECONDS! The stormers are garbage and thats the only way they could ever hope to beat the lions, cheating!

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